Why not just make it a 150% bonus to velocity and cut out the redundant penalty to flight time?

Yeah not sure whats up with the lore problem but mordu is intaki. Intaki are the syndicate. The syndicate use angel tech which is minmatar.

Not sure why the mordu who have zero connection with galente would use gal skill instead of minmatar

My main is intaki and mordu have not used gal tech in over 100 years. So no having gal skills is silly. It should be minmatar cuss thats who the intaki get thier tech from

Thinking more about the availability of ML NPCs in low sec belts, this is a pretty massive change. Currently, you cannot get pirate battleship blueprints from low sec, you have to do 7/10-10/10 complexes in null for a chance of a drop. Post Kronos, you will be able to get the Barg blueprint as a guaranteed drop from a single, lone NPC possible in any low sec belt... that's insane. About the chance for a ML NPC spawn--aren't clone soldier spawn rates identical to hauler spawns, too? If so, ML NPCs will be very common (especially if they follow patterns like clone soldier spawns, like generally being in the first three belts in a system). Will all ML NPCs have an equal chance of dropping any of the three pirate blueprints, or will the drop rates vary with the frig bpc the most common etc.?

The 1456 dps is inclusive of drones, overheat and dual +5 implants. On the extreme end, with 4x Faction BCUs, V skills and a pair of +5 implants - you're looking at:

GÇó T2 torpedo launchers with T2 Rage torpedoes ... 1417.5 dps (25.3km range)
GÇó T2 cruise launchers with T2 Fury cruise missiles ... 1093.75 dps (167km range)
GÇó T2 rapid heavy launcher with T2 Fury heavy missiles ... 1260 dps-burst/812 dps-actual (70.8km range)
GÇó Gecko drone ... +123 dps

Realistically, you'd probably run Faction torpedoes, cruise or heavy missiles for better damage application (at least for torpedoes and cruise missiles):

GÇó T2 torpedo launchers with Faction torpedoes ... 1207.5 dps (30.4km range)
GÇó T2 cruise launchers with Faction cruise missiles ... 901.25 dps (222km range)
GÇó T2 rapid heavy missile launchers with Faction heavy missiles ... 1076.25 dps-burst/692.13 dps-actual (94.4km range)
GÇó Gecko drone ... +123 dps

Now tell me what the Mach does. And the NM. And probably even the Bhal.
Don't compare it to a Vindi which is a pure close range brawl monster.

Then also tell me what range a Hyp does that kind of damage at. And how fast it moves.
And remember the Scram range bonus as well.

1400 dps of any damage type and the ability to disengage any time it wants wasn't enough for you??

Two ships beat one, and for more breaking news grass is also green.

Like I said, if you can't afford to spend that kind of isk on a faction frigate, which really is not that much at all for a faction frigate (under 150mil on the mods) then you should not be flying the ship.

Opinions vary on this point. Some of us are ecstatic with them.

iirc the Mordus hate the gallente anyway , why would they be using Gal tech.

Those poor impoverished Mini Training pilots and their Machariels and Vindicators.

Please, donate today. Just 5 ISK will be able to feed 5 impoverished Minmatar Machariel pilots for a year.

Amarr and SOE negativity explained away by devs as SOE wanting a vessel that didn't really need to rely on ammo during exploration.... Lore surrounding ML says that they aren't gallente caldari exclusive. How hard is it to say the obtained the tech from a member or some other route? Dev favoritism IMO. Lore is a terrible excuse.

So they will be adding mordus legion agents in low sec correct?

The Barghest seriously needs a buff, be it a change to 7.5% damage per Caldari Battleship skill level or another launcher slot- I don't want this to end up like the nestor...

Yes, my point was not to underestimate the value of a utility high. I was editing my post to reference the State Raven so I think you missed that portion, but from a purely aesthetic standpoint - yes, 8 launchers would be purtier. However, since this would put the damage above that of a State Raven - I don't expect we'd still see the 25% damage bonus on 8 launchers without taking a hit somewhere else.

Since we're into "wishful thinking", what I'd actually prefer is 6 launchers with a +50% damage bonus, one less high slot (total of 7) and an extra low slot (also 7). That actually gives it marginally better damage (9.0 effective vs. 8.75) as well as allowing for a decent armour tank configuration.

So we give up the utility high and 0.5 effective launchers in exchange for the ability to run a pair of soon-to-be-neutered Geckos and some extra damage application for cruise and torpedoes (only) that can be replicated by a single rigor rig? I'll keep my utility high, the 7 launchers and the +5% damage bonus...

As I've repeatedly said, the proposed Barghest is perfect as is. A 7.5% damage bonus would just sweeten the deal.

Hey everyone, dropping by to let you know that we're not ignoring this thread. CCP Rise is out sick at the moment otherwise he'd be passing the reminder along himself. We're keeping up on all the feedback.

So When will these Finally hit SiSi? Were not far away from expansion day and we can't even test them out yet to provide Feedback! That's not a winning combo. Don't care if the paint isn't dry yet! We got ships to Test!

Oh, I suppose maybe later down the Road a Caldari/Minmatar Faction will finally come forth with Missiles similar to these but have a Webb bonus? ECM?

The battleship in particular struggles the most in this respect. Please consider adding some type of innate missile application bonus for both ships. If an application bonus is not added, the Orthrus will be yet another LML ship- and the Barghest will be useless outside of rapier / huginn gangs.

Thank you for your consideration.

Because 15km/sec torpedoes have a certain appeal to them.

Options are:
GÇó 6 launchers @ 50.0% (9 effective; keeps utility high plus an additional low slot)
GÇó 7 launchers @ 37.5% (9.6 effective; keeps utility high)
GÇó 8 launchers @ 25.0% (10 effective launchers; loses utility high)

Not to complain, but these only just appeared on SISI - Kronos is out in just over a week and there has been ZERO dev feedback in this thread.

why do you believe that this ship should have better missile tracking than other missile battleships?

Yes, and most missile battleships don't also have the extreme flexiblilty of being able to fit bonused weapons of every size with every ammo type. And they also don't have supreme speed and agility with the longest point range in the game.

Why should the Barghest have crazy point bonuses AND crazy application bonuses? The stats i've seen for it don't seem to be bad at all.. I mean its not pulling 1600 dps or whatever but it seems completely reasonable considering what else the ship can do.

the actual 'issue' is that webs, especially 90% webs, are far too powerful.

Explosion radius has nothing to do with target velocity reducing damage. That's what explosion velocity is for. Explosion radius only deals with the reduction of damage by having a smaller sig radius.

http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage#Damage_Equation

(sure, it's all multiplied into the equation, but it only has an effect once)

Why does this all feel strangely familiar... It's almost like we've been down this exact path before with another Pirate class. I can't shake the feeling that this fate has befallen another Pirate battleship... I must be thinking of something else. And a different dev...

Doesn't look like there's going to be a ML battleship, either... (at least a good one).

BARGHEST REDUX
Caldari Battleship Bonus per level: 10% bonus to missile damage
Gallente Battleship Bonus per level: 10% bonus to warp scrambler and warp disruptor range
Role Bonus: 200% bonus to missile velocity (-50% penalty to missile flight time)
25% bonus to missile explosion radius and velocity

Slot layout: 7H(-1), 6M, 7L(+1); 0 turrets, 6 launchers
Fittings: 11600 PWG, 730 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 11200 / 8750 / 8100
Capacitor (amount / cap/sec) : 6100 / 5.28
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 148 / .098 / 98467000 / 13.38s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 76km / 110 / 7
Sensor strength: 29
Signature radius: 370

this post of yours looks like a nonsensical troll...
what i'm saying is if you make a reasonable like for like comparison .. you will see that the mordus ships tank attributes are OP compared to ships with a similar role..

I'm going to call it tracking rather than whatever it actually is, because there isn't a word. and 'all sorts of gang links and external EW' sounds like an exaggeration. you need I think standard crash and a TP to hit battleships for full damage. if not, it's that plus a rigor. what is unreasonable about that, when the TP benefits the entire gang and is something you should have anyway?

(EDIT2: I just saw your wonderful Raven navy loss.. You clearly have a good idea about what should and should not be done with missile battleships, i'm stepping out of this arguement.. rofl)

Uhm its bonus also applies to long points..

And its ******** because the vindicator has broken webs and applies dps better than any other Bs in the game..

But sure on a BC with 1 web on it (Assuming that is allowed since you are counting on that for the vindi comparison) you do 80% dps

100% with web + tp

Again.. Is your arguement that you should be able to apply damage to cruisers without needing multiple webs/tp's? Because if so that is quite dumb. You seem to be considering this ship for PVE.. Its a ship with a scram bonus.. i suggest using it for pvp..

And the vindi with no web doesn't apply better than the Bargh at any range.. Are you just pulling numbers out of your ass because i can start posting graphs disproving pretty much everything that has been said in the last 20 minutes?

Assuming I haven't borked the formulas, Barghest/CNR/Typhoon spreadsheet with various rig, TP, web setups against a nanomach.

Someone needs to explain to me why torps are used in PvP over cruise missiles.

Also, can the Barghest drop the warp disrupter/scram bonus for a web range bonus? Or a TP bonus?

Do you really think there's going to be a Caldari-Minmatar Pirate line? And yes, depressing for anything other than rapid heavy launchers. But that's what the Barghest is - a stealth rapid heavy launcher platform.

They just need to give the Battleships to someone more qualified.

I'm guessing you never got to see the Machariel before its size got "nerfed"

**** was hilarious.

Appreciate this. What I would love to work towards is people 'knowing we're there' even if we aren't posting daily. I see what you mean though and will try to shoot for a middle ground.

Society for Conscious Thought or maybe Thukker could be used for a Caldari Minmatar hybrid/pirate ship line

Then they should get on that. There now needs to be one Caldari and Minmatar, one additional Caldari and Amarr, and a Minmatar and Amarr ship line to balance it all out.

10yrs a CAREBEAR and still shafted !!


Where's the high sec agents for Mordu's Legion



Quick make some ,









Willing to RAGEQUIT at any time soon , but not this DECADE

SOE is pirate faction and they have highsec agents. Mordus Legion aren't really true pirates in the sense. They are more like special forces for the caldari.